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05 March 2010 @ 11:32 am

I don't know if I'm going to go to this tonight, but I hear it's Boston's best dance night and an all-around awesome time, so April's is on my calendar.
porpurina: olivebloodstones on March 5th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
Awesome. I just found the chicago edition.
eestiplika on March 5th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
oh yeah! I used to do this in SF!
Completely Socially Unacceptabledeirdre on March 5th, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC)
Here's what I don't understand, if a large group a straight people descended on one of the local gay bars in an attempt to "Turn it straight" for a night, the outcry (by a lot of the same people who think GQB is the bomb) would be enormous. So why is this ok?
ruthless compassion: martini handsaroraborealis on March 5th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
Do you really see these as being equivalent? Because I so don't that I don't know where to start in explaining why they're not.
Completely Socially Unacceptabledeirdre on March 5th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
Let's try this less loaded example to explain how I see it:

The group of hipsters who descend on the popular local blue collar watering hole in an attempt to make it "cool" by their definition for the evening.

Having been a regular at a bar where that has happened, let me tell you, it sucks for everyone except the hipsters. The regulars have their night ruined, and while the management sees a brief one night surge in their business, it doesn't make up for the amount it drops off for the next several days as the regulars stay away.

Also, this whole concept implies that we are "segregated" in our little gay clubs. To that I say, bullshit. Do bars/clubs tend to have a "brand" (gay, hipster, goth, etc)? Yup. Do I somehow feel less welcome at a night that is not specifically billed as gay if otherwise it suits me? No.

Hell, I feel more comfortable at most straight clubs than I ever did as a woman at the Ramrod.

I also don't believe that there is some burning unmet need in Boston for more club nights where we can be surrounded by other gays. If there were, the nights we do have wouldn't be dying off at such a high rate.

Want to do something to help build and sustain community? How's about spending your money at the bars and clubs that have put up with the years of raids and licensing problems to be actual gay bars.

We're not some great oppressed minority here in Boston and straight people aren't the enemy. It's way past time to stop acting like they are.
ruthless compassion: martini handsaroraborealis on March 6th, 2010 02:29 pm (UTC)
So, you're saying queers are like hipsters, who are largely middle and upper class and straight people are like ... working class folks? This analogy suffers from the same problem as your first comment, to my mind: it ignores the realities of group social power. The idea that queer people and straight people have the same amount of it is charming, but naive, while the idea that people in different economic classes do is simply confusing.

If you want to draw analogies with other groups relationships to illustrate your point, that's great, but if you keep choosing analogies where you're objecting to groups that are in a social "power up" position are the ones who are throwing their weight around -- something that I would call bullying -- I'm going to be confused about why you see that as the same thing as when groups that are in a lower social power position do something similar, because it's not the same, and ignoring the realities of social patterns doesn't make it so. We may want all things to be equal ... but they're not.
Completely Socially Unacceptabledeirdre on March 7th, 2010 07:08 am (UTC)
And now I can't stop laughing....
I just keep picturing someone telling the folks at my local here in Rozzie that we are in a "lower social position" than the hipster invasion fleet... You'd probably get a demonstration of their group social power as the door hit you in the ass on the way to the curb.

I still don't feel like GQB is anything other than rude, but I can't stop giggling long enough to keep debating it.
T Streich: avviesweetbaboo on March 5th, 2010 07:43 pm (UTC)
I'm with you on this one.

Of course, I'd gladly show up at (either, both), but that's the opposite of implying it's ok.

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ruthless compassion: martini handsaroraborealis on March 5th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
I think I'm likely not to go this month -- I'm kind of wiped out and suspect I'll get home tonight and find myself uninspired to go out again, BUT ... next month. Let me know if you want to join a gang that i might organize!
unintentionally intimidatingcoraline on March 5th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
next month i'll be in san francisco (woe, woe is me) but... may?