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25 March 2010 @ 04:54 pm
Why is it SO difficult to resist arguing with people who are wrong on the internet?

Also, why do I persist in thinking that LOGIC and DATA are sufficient to get them to change their minds?
I'm feeling: aggravatedaggravated
Sapere Aude: hennaprimal_pastry on March 25th, 2010 09:47 pm (UTC)
The actual answer is that people generalize from their own experience. You're a person of integrity and intelligence therefore you expect your interactions to be reasonable and intelligent.

I'm also guessing eternal optimism.
ruthless compassion: martini handsaroraborealis on March 25th, 2010 11:32 pm (UTC)
That's a kind take on it. I always fear it reflects a certain intellectual snobbery.
Mizarchivist: winemizarchivist on March 26th, 2010 12:01 am (UTC)
I'm usually OK with a bit of intellectual snobbery.
David Policardpolicar on March 25th, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC)
Those are good questions.

For me, it's usually an expression of a fundamental desire to have everybody agree and basically get along. My net.arguments are almost always attempts to talk people into the center from highly polarized positions.

But I'm pretty sure that's not universal.

What is it for you?
ruthless compassionaroraborealis on March 26th, 2010 02:32 am (UTC)
Wait. You argue with people on the internet out of a desire for everyone to ... get along?

I'm going to have to have a drink to wrap my mind around that one, I think :)

For me, I'm not sure what the motivation is!
David Policardpolicar on March 26th, 2010 11:52 am (UTC)
Well,they clearly aren't doing it on their own.
born from jets!!!: bushmillscatness on March 26th, 2010 02:29 pm (UTC)
It Annoys The Pig
Hrrrm. I don't have a problem with this. Either with people on the internet, or in person. I used to be an avid flamer but I didn't go on and on and on about it after certain points were made. And honestly, at the end of the day, it took a lot of time and effort to be a successful and reasonably unassailable flamer/arguer, and I decided I didn't want to waste that energy on people who Don't or Won't smarten up. I need it for myself or people I actually care about. ;) The funny thing is, in the music business, I meet a lot of Jackasses Who Are Wrong, and it's funny to just... walk away while their jaws are flapping. (Of course this is impossible if it's the people who are paying me, sigh.)

Edit: And I'm pretty sure LJ put this reply in the Wrong Place. I should argue with them about their code.

Edited at 2010-03-26 02:30 pm (UTC)
T Streichsweetbaboo on March 25th, 2010 11:24 pm (UTC)
I dunno, that's tough. Especially when logic and and these many references to common experience I can make suggest it is ultimately futile and frustrating.
ruthless compassion: laughteraroraborealis on March 26th, 2010 02:33 am (UTC)
Doug Orleansdougo on March 26th, 2010 12:46 am (UTC)
If you're arguing with them in public, some of that LOGIC and DATA might cause third-party observers to change their minds as collateral damage. So it's not a total waste of energy.
Ellen: at workkeyne on March 26th, 2010 01:18 am (UTC)
When you find out, let me know? I've been struggling with this one for twenty-seven years now. :/
Wild Ravenwildraven on March 26th, 2010 03:51 am (UTC)
Yelling at brick walls
I so often wish I could hold myself back...

I fail too.... :-(

People hate it when facts contradict their view on the world.
Jim Pjim_p on March 26th, 2010 05:21 am (UTC)
In the words of William James, A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. Logic and Data have no place in this scheme...
That Chick with the Evil Laughsparkymonster on March 26th, 2010 05:43 am (UTC)
It's a re-occuring theme in my therapy let me tell you
sarahshevettsarahshevett on March 26th, 2010 06:25 am (UTC)
Data is fallable
Data can be skewed.
There is no such thing as truth.
jordanwillow: zhang ziyi will kick your assjordanwillow on March 26th, 2010 09:47 am (UTC)
Boring Nerd: boring nerdsignsoflife on March 26th, 2010 03:27 pm (UTC)
I have mostly let go of convincing anyone of anything on the internet.

The internet is a Big Lie. You can reach SO many people with SUCH little effort, it feels like you have all this power to REACH people and CONVINCE them of stuff. But it doesn't work. Persuasion is an interpersonal process which requires good faith on both sides; it requires time and repeated contact. Persuasion is not a mass process.

When I get involved in online discussions, I try to think of myself as leaving little presents for people who are seeking information. You can change the minds of people who don't want their minds changed, but you can offer the data to people who are genuinely open.
Boring Nerd: cthulhu eyebrowssignsoflife on March 29th, 2010 10:57 pm (UTC)
I would actually be very curious if you did a survey asking people when the last time someone changed their minds with Logic and/or Data was, and how the change occurred.