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27 October 2010 @ 12:37 pm
fb poll  

Are you on facebook?

Yes
85(82.5%)
No
18(17.5%)

Do you have concerns about privacy and/or security on facebook?

lots
30(29.1%)
many
14(13.6%)
some
37(35.9%)
few
15(14.6%)
none
7(6.8%)
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Kcatkcatalyst on October 27th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC)
Ha! We gave different answers to describe the same thing, I think. I have lots of concerns, which is why I don't post anything private there.
Misanthropic extrovertdbang on October 27th, 2010 07:38 pm (UTC)
This.
drwexdrwex on October 27th, 2010 10:50 pm (UTC)
This
And perhaps because of the company I keep I find that the hours I have for finding out what my friends are up to are better spent there than there. Probably self-perpetuating, or somesuch.
vito_excalibur on October 28th, 2010 05:45 am (UTC)
Same here.
Boring Nerd: beginningssignsoflife on October 27th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
Essentially, I treat Facebook as though it were a newspaper. I created my Facebook identity to be a public identity; it's something for people who want to seek me out on the internet to find.

I find Facebook's attitude towards privacy beyond creepy, but it's a bit like *knowing* the person who will blab all your secrets to the world. I don't tell Facebook stuff I don't want my mother, my employers, my government and my potential offspring to know.
Coscos on October 28th, 2010 02:34 am (UTC)
Whereas for me, my "concerns" fall mainly into the category of "Facebook's way of mismanaging privacy issues in the past couple of years has caused a lot of my friends to take down some of their stuff or choose not to post things they would've posted on the Facebook of 2006". I don't like this because it reduces the value of Facebook to me, but what *I* post is entirely beside the point regarding this concern.
blkblk on October 27th, 2010 04:40 pm (UTC)
I kind of like facebook, but don't trust it one bit. So I set privacy options I find, but also only put information on it that I don't mind sharing with the world. Kind of like talking to some friends.

Edited at 2010-10-27 04:41 pm (UTC)
Brother Claymore of Desirable Mindfulnesslifecollage on October 27th, 2010 08:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, to all of this. Specifically, there's no real-world contact info for me there, and my mom reads my FB so I keep everything mom-friendly.
"Radioactive" Richradioactiverich on October 27th, 2010 04:43 pm (UTC)
I have lots of concerns, which is why I would never put anything remotely sensitive on facebook.
Chance: dork tower number 317miss_chance on October 27th, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)
Heh! Whereas I never put anything remotely sensitive on facebook, and thus I have very few concerns. :)

hmmm.. that could make an interesting follow-up poll:

() I have lots of concerns, which is why I would never put anything remotely sensitive on facebook.

()I never put anything remotely sensitive on facebook, and thus I have very few concerns.
phitotient on October 27th, 2010 07:01 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this.
Boring Nerd: beginningssignsoflife on October 27th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
This does seem to be how the comments are falling out.
DancingWolfGrrldancingwolfgrrl on October 27th, 2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
My take on it is that Facebook kind of sucks about privacy, but also that this is the internet, which...well, kind of sucks about privacy. Having professional contacts on Facebook is slightly helpful to me, actually, because it reminds me that whatever I put up is basically free for public consumption!
vito_excalibur on October 28th, 2010 05:46 am (UTC)
This is true for me as well.
Renata Piperlyonesse on October 27th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
my info is all false, and my page is related to only one topic in my life, and i have two friends who know who i actually am. so there's no information there that i care about, or that connects to other available information about me.
evolution, and some other stuffjacflash on October 27th, 2010 05:09 pm (UTC)
I don't worry a whole lot, though I did -- but I scrubbed my Facebook profile fairly early on. There's nothing there now that I wouldn't mind cow-orkers or readers (of my work stuff) or employers or random passers-by seeing, and there won't be.
harimad on October 27th, 2010 05:18 pm (UTC)
I'm barely on Facebook. My name is false, my profile empty, all known privacy options enabled, no information or posts about me up there at all including no joining professional or alum groups. I use it to read about others and I opened an account only reluctantly.
B.K. DeLongbkdelong on October 27th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
I have many privacy concerns. I've just learned how to check and tweak as many of the profile and application privacy settings as I can. When I also "add a friend" I stick them into several "allowed" friend lists which I use in the "privacy settings" detailing what I'm comfortable with them seeing on my profile.

That being said, there's very little that's private about me on the Web so I do it mostly to protect my "contacts" from stupid apps and to keep FB from screwing with my details and information without my permission.
lazyzlazyz on October 27th, 2010 05:30 pm (UTC)
Ffunny, I just found a woman thru Facebook who bounced a debit card on me for a bracelet 8 years ago so i wrote her to ask for the $195 of the bracelet back. Yay, Facebook.
And what they said...
Spike: Tempest - Avoid Spikesspike on October 27th, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)
What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.



This is not about FaceBook. Or Twitter. Or LJ. Or MySpace. Or Flickr. Or Picasa. Or Usenet (DejaNews, anyone?) Or IRC. Or mailing lists. It's about the whole freaking Internet.

Anything you share anywhere on the Internet can become public, period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. And if you've been duped into believing otherwise, well, you should complain loudly and directly to the person who fell for whichever old ruse was trotted out to gain their trust.


Do I have concerns about Facebook? You bet. Same question for LJ? Same answer. Flickr? Same answer. Twitter? MySpace? Usenet? E-mail lists? Same answer, same answer, same answer, same answer: if you post it, it might as well already be completely public.

People pointing the finger at "FaceBook!!!" have already missed the point.

And as I've said before, "You have every reason to be outraged, but at this point, you've got no excuse for being surprised.."
Jim Pjim_p on October 27th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
Word!

I've been online for a long time (like, back when it was called "ARPANET", spam was verboten, and any user could be tracked through their employer or institution). I've always acted under the assumption that ANYTHING I put online could conceivably be seen by my spouse, my mother, my employer, or my worst enemy. I don't necessarily keep a low profile, but I'm always prepared for anything I put up to come back to me in a less-than-desirable manner.
Misanthropic extrovertdbang on October 27th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
Pfff.

By the same logic, nothing is private period, whether on the Internet or not.

People can break into my house and steal my diary and photographs.

My medical providers could be careless with data, whether electronic or in paper form. (Hey, my doctor recently sent me SOMEONE ELSE'S PAP RESULTS. handwritten no less.)

People can sift through public records by visiting the registry of deeds and other similar organizations.

People can hire private detectives who could employ legal or less-than-totally-legal methods to find out all sorts of things.

So, contrary to your diagram, there's no actual state of "private". Rather, privacy is a spectrum, related to how difficult it would be for someone to find or use some information about me. On one end of the spectrum is public facebook content. On the other is my special secret locked safe deposit box at Fort Knox. Everything else is somewhere in between, regardless of the medium.

Living a reasonable life means balancing your need for privacy (electronic and otherwise) against your need to function in society.

[ETA: if you are going to set up a diagram in which "The Internet" is set in opposition to things which are private, you best define "The Internet". What does it mean to post something on "The Internet"? Does that include private email between two people? What about direct chat? What about files on my company's intranet? What about files on my own computer? (In theory private, until the first virus/malware finds it...) My point being that I object to your claim that it is OBVIOUS that nothing on "the internet" is private and so we shouldn't ever post [make available in some way on some computer network] any private information.]


Edited at 2010-10-27 07:51 pm (UTC)
Coscos on October 28th, 2010 02:38 am (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
Ahh, I was going to say this, but I see you did. Thanks.

The attitude that "nothing you post on the Internet is private, accept that, and don't blame any particular sites or actors for the way they handle privacy" is one that really bugs me. I think it's damaging and makes the world a worse place, so I want to see it countered wherever it appears.
veek on October 27th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
I'm bristling a bit at your tone here, and the implications, but we've had this conversation before.

Yeah, nothing internetted is private, la la, that can be debated but I'm not opposed to it as a general statement. But some internet entities' *business practices* are more insidious and slimy than others'. That's a large part of my opposition to being on Facebook. It's not just about "internet." If my bank's practices were like Facebook's, I'd conduct no networked transactions.
Coscos on October 28th, 2010 02:41 am (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
This isn't about him, or her, or how they were jerks and treated you/me/anyone badly. Getting into a relationship is setting yourself up to have your heart broken. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. You've got no excuse for being surprised.

No, I don't really believe that. I mean, sure, maybe "being surprised" isn't always right, but it's also beside the point. And this whole attitude and way of framing the issue is badness through and through, IMO.
David Policardpolicar on October 27th, 2010 07:03 pm (UTC)
To be clear, I have no concerns not because I believe FB is secure, but because I assume it isn't and that doesn't concern me.

Anyone who wants to see what I do on FB is welcome to do so; anyone who more than casually assumes that what I seem to have done on FB was actually authenticated is mistaken to do so. If I wanted security, I wouldn't use FB.

(ETA: Yeah, as others have said more cleverly.)

Edited at 2010-10-27 07:04 pm (UTC)
sabriel: mama_sabriel_ on October 27th, 2010 08:53 pm (UTC)
FB
My FB account is filtered in many layers, and mostly very locked down.
HOWEVER,
I still only post really personal or private stuff here, where only a few people are friended, and it is STILL locked down and friends only.
born from jets!!!: corsaircatness on October 27th, 2010 09:04 pm (UTC)
I really kind of love and hate facebook. It's a lightweight gateway to be hilarious with new and old friends and acquaintances with whom you maybe want to have a closer relationship. It also makes it incredibly easy to go RAH RAH RAH in a public way to my friends who rocked my world recently, and for that I think it's the best thing ever. "I think this person is THE SHIT" is a sentiment that I believe should be shouted from rooftops. :)

On the other hand, when people expect me to be *available* there, it's really noxious, even though private info about me isn't really a concern of mine (my profile is my stage persona). A comment by me on someone's wall post is not the same as 'reading all available content while visiting fb', because it's frankly impossible, and not displayed in any kind of useful way. Just because I said, "that was the funniest picture ever" does not mean I even saw what's been posted on my *own wall*. The user interface just isn't that good, to be honest.

I also really loathe that people try to contact me for business related things on fb, because fb is not reliable or predictable in how it delivers content, and also... it's a social networking toy, NOT a business medium. I can't sort or store anything sanely, so it's useless for managing business communication.

Edited at 2010-10-27 09:05 pm (UTC)
Coscos on October 28th, 2010 02:35 am (UTC)
I was going to comment that your second question is vague and people could interpret it in wildly different ways, but then I happened to skim the comments first and immediately found people interpreting it in wildly different ways :)