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27 October 2010 @ 12:37 pm
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Are you on facebook?


Do you have concerns about privacy and/or security on facebook?

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Spike: Tempest - Avoid Spikesspike on October 27th, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)
What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.

This is not about FaceBook. Or Twitter. Or LJ. Or MySpace. Or Flickr. Or Picasa. Or Usenet (DejaNews, anyone?) Or IRC. Or mailing lists. It's about the whole freaking Internet.

Anything you share anywhere on the Internet can become public, period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. And if you've been duped into believing otherwise, well, you should complain loudly and directly to the person who fell for whichever old ruse was trotted out to gain their trust.

Do I have concerns about Facebook? You bet. Same question for LJ? Same answer. Flickr? Same answer. Twitter? MySpace? Usenet? E-mail lists? Same answer, same answer, same answer, same answer: if you post it, it might as well already be completely public.

People pointing the finger at "FaceBook!!!" have already missed the point.

And as I've said before, "You have every reason to be outraged, but at this point, you've got no excuse for being surprised.."
Jim Pjim_p on October 27th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.

I've been online for a long time (like, back when it was called "ARPANET", spam was verboten, and any user could be tracked through their employer or institution). I've always acted under the assumption that ANYTHING I put online could conceivably be seen by my spouse, my mother, my employer, or my worst enemy. I don't necessarily keep a low profile, but I'm always prepared for anything I put up to come back to me in a less-than-desirable manner.
Misanthropic extrovertdbang on October 27th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.

By the same logic, nothing is private period, whether on the Internet or not.

People can break into my house and steal my diary and photographs.

My medical providers could be careless with data, whether electronic or in paper form. (Hey, my doctor recently sent me SOMEONE ELSE'S PAP RESULTS. handwritten no less.)

People can sift through public records by visiting the registry of deeds and other similar organizations.

People can hire private detectives who could employ legal or less-than-totally-legal methods to find out all sorts of things.

So, contrary to your diagram, there's no actual state of "private". Rather, privacy is a spectrum, related to how difficult it would be for someone to find or use some information about me. On one end of the spectrum is public facebook content. On the other is my special secret locked safe deposit box at Fort Knox. Everything else is somewhere in between, regardless of the medium.

Living a reasonable life means balancing your need for privacy (electronic and otherwise) against your need to function in society.

[ETA: if you are going to set up a diagram in which "The Internet" is set in opposition to things which are private, you best define "The Internet". What does it mean to post something on "The Internet"? Does that include private email between two people? What about direct chat? What about files on my company's intranet? What about files on my own computer? (In theory private, until the first virus/malware finds it...) My point being that I object to your claim that it is OBVIOUS that nothing on "the internet" is private and so we shouldn't ever post [make available in some way on some computer network] any private information.]

Edited at 2010-10-27 07:51 pm (UTC)
Coscos on October 28th, 2010 02:38 am (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
Ahh, I was going to say this, but I see you did. Thanks.

The attitude that "nothing you post on the Internet is private, accept that, and don't blame any particular sites or actors for the way they handle privacy" is one that really bugs me. I think it's damaging and makes the world a worse place, so I want to see it countered wherever it appears.
veek on October 27th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
I'm bristling a bit at your tone here, and the implications, but we've had this conversation before.

Yeah, nothing internetted is private, la la, that can be debated but I'm not opposed to it as a general statement. But some internet entities' *business practices* are more insidious and slimy than others'. That's a large part of my opposition to being on Facebook. It's not just about "internet." If my bank's practices were like Facebook's, I'd conduct no networked transactions.
Coscos on October 28th, 2010 02:41 am (UTC)
Re: What you post ANYWHERE is public, period.
This isn't about him, or her, or how they were jerks and treated you/me/anyone badly. Getting into a relationship is setting yourself up to have your heart broken. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. You've got no excuse for being surprised.

No, I don't really believe that. I mean, sure, maybe "being surprised" isn't always right, but it's also beside the point. And this whole attitude and way of framing the issue is badness through and through, IMO.