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29 November 2010 @ 01:50 pm
Pro tip, guys  

Trying to explain another man's sexism is never going to win you friends among the population of folks who think sexist behavior is always shitty.

 
 
 
Yaga: feministyagagriswold on November 29th, 2010 06:56 pm (UTC)
::applauds::
Rowan: Ravenmzrowan on November 29th, 2010 06:58 pm (UTC)
But...but...but how will women ever learn if men don't explain things to us!?! I mean, the reason we're so angry is because we just don't understand. We need help!
m.entrope on November 29th, 2010 07:04 pm (UTC)
OH MY GOD YES SERIOUSLY.
Kcatkcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 07:13 pm (UTC)
God, you're such a bitch.
funner'n a sack a weaselsmoominmolly on November 29th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC)
Well, no, you see, in order to UNDERSTAND her bitchiness...

...wait, actually, nevermind! I am glad you understand her bitchiness. That line of inquiry makes the world a better place!
(no subject) - catness on November 29th, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 08:20 pm (UTC) (Expand)
it's a vain pursuit but it helps me to sleeprezendi on November 29th, 2010 07:15 pm (UTC)
Is this explain-as-in-justify or explain-as-in-so-it-can-be-better-understood? The latter is more complex.
Kcatkcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 07:24 pm (UTC)
You'd think so. But in practice it almost never is.
(no subject) - catness on November 29th, 2010 08:10 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Guilty - drwex on December 1st, 2010 02:13 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - fennel on November 29th, 2010 08:29 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - primal_pastry on November 29th, 2010 08:43 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 08:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - aroraborealis on November 29th, 2010 09:05 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - primal_pastry on November 29th, 2010 09:58 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - cos on November 29th, 2010 10:14 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Randy Smithrandysmith on November 29th, 2010 07:17 pm (UTC)
Does it matter whether it's a guy or a gal doing the explaining?

(I read your other post but not the comment thread off it, so if I'm accidentally going near stuff that's really too awful to approach, I apologize. The behavior described in your post seemed eye-rollingly bad--I feel no particular urge to be an apologist for it.)
Sapere Aude: rainbowprimal_pastry on November 29th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)
It matters if the person explaining $ism is a member of an agent or a target group, yes. It matters if the explanation is an attempt to explore $ism in context or to dismiss it. It matters especially if the "explanation" indulges in the same tropes and techniques of marginalization as the original incident.
(no subject) - randysmith on November 29th, 2010 07:50 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - sparkymonster on November 30th, 2010 03:40 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - randysmith on November 30th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - bkdelong on November 29th, 2010 08:10 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 08:43 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - bkdelong on November 29th, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - blk on November 29th, 2010 09:28 pm (UTC) (Expand)
That Chick with the Evil Laughsparkymonster on November 29th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
Let me share an amusing image macro I created after a particularly impressive incident of mansplaining.

Kcatkcatalyst on November 29th, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
Love!
(no subject) - sparkymonster on November 30th, 2010 02:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - aroraborealis on November 29th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - sparkymonster on November 30th, 2010 02:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
Boring Nerd: Bilesignsoflife on November 29th, 2010 09:16 pm (UTC)
I had my own icky sexism experience this morning, and am grateful to you for reporting your own experience, and for calling folks on their shit.
T Streich: avviesweetbaboo on November 30th, 2010 06:24 am (UTC)
Your house, your rules, good advice regardless.
:)
Just to settle some of my own curiousity issues, though... were any of the female explanations for man's sexism also useless?
ruthless compassion: martini handsaroraborealis on November 30th, 2010 02:39 pm (UTC)
I think if any women had tried to explain it, those explanations would also have been useless. But none did, so I lack data.
(no subject) - sweetbaboo on November 30th, 2010 02:51 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - blk on November 30th, 2010 02:59 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - sweetbaboo on November 30th, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Mizarchivist: Weeblmizarchivist on November 30th, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC)
This is all fine and dandy, but when are you going to get in the kitchen and make me some pie?!

Also, I'm very glad I'm not the focus of this conversation.


Edited at 2010-11-30 12:30 pm (UTC)